Tulane Rushing Defense

[PeteRasche]

Tulane jumps from #9 last week to #5 in the nation in rushing defense (yards per game). Holding opponents to 62.8 YPG on the ground. Nebraska, Miami, Utah, and Air Force are ahead of us.

Even more impressive, in yards per carry, we are tied for #3 with Utah at 2.02 yards per attempt. Nebraska and Miami are ahead of us.

Looking ahead, UAB is currently 108th out of 130 in rushing yards (offense) per game, so hopefully we make them very one-dimensional this weekend. Our previous 3 FBS opponents are ranked well ahead of that (though only USA is top 50). Also, FWIW, Nebraska has Michigan this week, so we may have a chance to move up in the rankings.

P.S. our overall defense is ranked #18 in the nation (291.2 yards per game).

P.P.S. If you are curious who is last in rushing, #130 is none other than the flying Deions of Colorado... negative-thirty-something per game in scrambling will do that...

[1309th WAVE]

UAB QB Jacob Zeno (no relation to Marc, that I know of) has an Average Depth of Target of 5.1 this season, with 122 of his 158 attempts coming inside of 9 yards or behind the line of scrimmage. Maybe they don't run because most of the passing game is just de facto running.

For comparison, Michael Pratt has an ADOT of 10.3. Just in the South Alabama game that number was 14.1. That's what throwing haymakers looks like, in a distilled nerd way of presenting it.

[waverider]

UAB QB Jacob Zeno (no relation to Marc, that I know of) has an Average Depth of Target of 5.1 this season, with 122 of his 158 attempts coming inside of 9 yards or behind the line of scrimmage. Maybe they don't run because most of the passing game is just de facto running.

For comparison, Michael Pratt has an ADOT of 10.3. Just in the South Alabama game that number was 14.1. That's what throwing haymakers looks like, in a distilled nerd way of presenting it.

So you’re saying that they run the short slants and screens that we should be running?

[Baywave1]

UAB QB Jacob Zeno (no relation to Marc, that I know of) has an Average Depth of Target of 5.1 this season, with 122 of his 158 attempts coming inside of 9 yards or behind the line of scrimmage. Maybe they don't run because most of the passing game is just de facto running.

For comparison, Michael Pratt has an ADOT of 10.3. Just in the South Alabama game that number was 14.1. That's what throwing haymakers looks like, in a distilled nerd way of presenting it.

Those are fun statoids of day. Yes it always amuses me that jet sweep and shuttle pass are passing stats.

[Marathon Wave]

UAB QB Jacob Zeno (no relation to Marc, that I know of) has an Average Depth of Target of 5.1 this season, with 122 of his 158 attempts coming inside of 9 yards or behind the line of scrimmage. Maybe they don't run because most of the passing game is just de facto running.

For comparison, Michael Pratt has an ADOT of 10.3. Just in the South Alabama game that number was 14.1. That's what throwing haymakers looks like, in a distilled nerd way of presenting it.

Those are fun statoids of day. Yes it always amuses me that jet sweep and shuttle pass are passing stats.

I guess that keeps in line with QB sacks are negative rushing yards, when no rush was intended at all. Guess no other stat column to put that in.

[WaveProf]

A sack counting as a rush makes sense, there was no forward pass. But by that same logic a jet sweep or lateral shuffle pass should also be a rush

[Poseidon]

A sack counting as a rush makes sense, there was no forward pass. But by that same logic a jet sweep or lateral shuffle pass should also be a rush

They aren't though right. He actually tosses the ball forward on jet sweeps.

*on further edit it makes sense to because it won't be a fumble, but instead an incomplete forward pass if mishandled.

[ml wave]

UAB QB Jacob Zeno (no relation to Marc, that I know of) has an Average Depth of Target of 5.1 this season, with 122 of his 158 attempts coming inside of 9 yards or behind the line of scrimmage. Maybe they don't run because most of the passing game is just de facto running.

For comparison, Michael Pratt has an ADOT of 10.3. Just in the South Alabama game that number was 14.1. That's what throwing haymakers looks like, in a distilled nerd way of presenting it.

Those are fun statoids of day. Yes it always amuses me that jet sweep and shuttle pass are passing stats.

I guess that keeps in line with QB sacks are negative rushing yards, when no rush was intended at all. Guess no other stat column to put that in.

NFL takes sack yards off of passing, I believe.

[Marathon Wave]

UAB QB Jacob Zeno (no relation to Marc, that I know of) has an Average Depth of Target of 5.1 this season, with 122 of his 158 attempts coming inside of 9 yards or behind the line of scrimmage. Maybe they don't run because most of the passing game is just de facto running.

For comparison, Michael Pratt has an ADOT of 10.3. Just in the South Alabama game that number was 14.1. That's what throwing haymakers looks like, in a distilled nerd way of presenting it.

Those are fun statoids of day. Yes it always amuses me that jet sweep and shuttle pass are passing stats.

I guess that keeps in line with QB sacks are negative rushing yards, when no rush was intended at all. Guess no other stat column to put that in.

NFL takes sack yards off of passing, I believe.

College & nfl hopefully can come closer together. That does make more sense, to me. Team is not attempting to rush, so why count it as negative rush? Same token, a QB draw, tackled for a loss is not a sack. Because it's a run.

[DCGreenie]

"Those are fun statoids of day. Yes it always amuses me that jet sweep and shuttle pass are passing stats." ? Do you mean shovel pass?

[WaveProf]

They aren't though right. He actually tosses the ball forward on jet sweeps.

*on further edit it makes sense to because it won't be a fumble, but instead an incomplete forward pass if mishandled.

For sure, most jet sweeps are forward, and should be counted as passing. I really was responding more to the comment about shovel passes, which should absolutely be rushes in my book

[waverider]

They aren't though right. He actually tosses the ball forward on jet sweeps.

*on further edit it makes sense to because it won't be a fumble, but instead an incomplete forward pass if mishandled.

For sure, most jet sweeps are forward, and should be counted as passing. I really was responding more to the comment about shovel passes, which should absolutely be rushes in my book

If jet sweeps are forward passes then shovel passes, which usually travel farther, certainly are.
Not all jet sweeps pass in front the QB so those can’t be generalized.

[WaveProf]

If jet sweeps are forward passes then shovel passes, which usually travel farther, certainly are.
Not all jet sweeps pass in front the QB so those can’t be generalized.

To me the divider should be if the ball moves forward or not, not how far it travels. If the ball is dropped is it a fumble or an incomplete pass? There's your answer for how it should be calculated.

And, yes, I was overgeneralizing about jet sweeps because others were as well. So just pull it back to what I just said. Forward pass = passing, lateral = rushing, I don't care if you throw it the width of the field.....

[waverider]

If jet sweeps are forward passes then shovel passes, which usually travel farther, certainly are.
Not all jet sweeps pass in front the QB so those can’t be generalized.

To me the divider should be if the ball moves forward or not, not how far it travels. If the ball is dropped is it a fumble or an incomplete pass? There's your answer for how it should be calculated.

And, yes, I was overgeneralizing about jet sweeps because others were as well. So just pull it back to what I just said. Forward pass = passing, lateral = rushing, I don't care if you throw it the width of the field.....

Then why would shovel passes be considered handoffs? You just refuted your own post in agreement with me

[WaveProf]

Then why would shovel passes be considered handoffs? You just refuted your own post in agreement with me

You are assuming a shovel pass is forward throwing, which, in honesty, they tend to be in most offenses. As someone who spent the first 15 years of my life watching variations of the option offense, I think of lateral or backwards shovel passes WAY before I think of forward ones. So, yes, using terms like jet sweep or shovel gets us all in confusing territory, and as I said before, I'm arguing the difference is forward movement vs not.

[waverider]

You are assuming a shovel pass is forward throwing, which, in honesty, they tend to be in most offenses. As someone who spent the first 15 years of my life watching variations of the option offense, I think of lateral or backwards shovel passes WAY before I think of forward ones. So, yes, using terms like jet sweep or shovel gets us all in confusing territory, and as I said before, I'm arguing the difference is forward movement vs not.

I see. We are saying the same thing but with different interpretations of the terminology.

When talking option I always think “pitch” with shovel passes being forward.

[WaveProf]

I see. We are saying the same thing but with different interpretations of the terminology.

When talking option I always think “pitch” with shovel passes being forward.

If you look up the definition of shovel pass online both fit the definition, and when I was in college, back when forward shovel passes weren't a "thing" yet, and were still super rare, it was used extensively, and interchangeably, to pitch. Following an option team I heard shovel more often than pitch. As spread and other modern offenses started played with surprise forward shovel passes more and more, I noticed that reporters started referring to option plays more and more as pitch, and I think that was to differentiate.

[ml wave]

If jet sweeps are forward passes then shovel passes, which usually travel farther, certainly are.
Not all jet sweeps pass in front the QB so those can’t be generalized.

To me the divider should be if the ball moves forward or not, not how far it travels. If the ball is dropped is it a fumble or an incomplete pass? There's your answer for how it should be calculated.

This is the divider. If it's forward it's a pass. That's why they call it a "forward pass".

[WaveProf]

This is the divider. If it's forward it's a pass. That's why they call it a "forward pass".

Then why all the kevetching on here about how they count it? Do people not find that logical?

That's precisely how I always thought it was calculated but assumed it wasn't because of all the kevetching.

[ml wave]

This is the divider. If it's forward it's a pass. That's why they call it a "forward pass".

Then why all the kevetching on here about how they count it? Do people not find that logical?

That's precisely how I always thought it was calculated but assumed it wasn't because of all the kevetching.

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[DCGreenie]

This is the divider. If it's forward it's a pass. That's why they call it a "forward pass".

Then why all the kevetching on here about how they count it? Do people not find that logical?

That's precisely how I always thought it was calculated but assumed it wasn't because of all the kevetching.

kvetching