Pac 12 Realignment

[Baywave1]

Again compare apples to apples. Most reporting on $10 million is for NewPAC media only.that is above existing AAC payment which is generally fixed for next eight or so years ( and may get cut for departing teams.) It does not include distributions for NCAA credits and CFP payments under its new contract.

New PAC intends to own that G5 guaranteed slot like AAC has done under old contract. Add Tulane and Memphis and they are probably right.

Regardless some AAC teams are joining NEWPac. If we stay, we have to compare NewPAC media payout to ESPN payment to new CUSAAC. Adding Liberty ain’t gonna make up for UCF, UH, Cincy, Memphis and maybe UTSA/USF? Leaving ( fill in the blank.)

How is that math going to work for Tulane athletics?

Regardless Memphis is gone.


PS, I’m cool with joining ACC with Memphis and negotiated discount but not SMU zero as insurance for possibly departing FSU and friends.

[Roller]

To me, it's not so much about how much revenue we get, it's more about getting away from schools that are interested in things like capping NIL payments. We need to be surrounded by schools that are willing to invest/spend what it takes.

[nolasilver]

If the exit fee from the pac is negligible or zero, we are only playing basketball/football there and the travel costs won’t bankrupt us, i think it absolutely makes sense to go to the pac until something better comes along.

I think overall whatever Memphis does, we should do.

I’m glad we saw that little update from Matt brown that confirms that Tulane is intact working behind the scenes.

[OGSB]

Dellenger: After latest realignment moves, which other schools will the Pac-12 try to scoop up?

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/after-late ... 33033.html

[PeteRasche]

Dellenger: After latest realignment moves, which other schools will the Pac-12 try to scoop up?

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/after-late ... 33033.html

I don't know if this always pops up, but in the corner when I opened this, there was a short video clip from a conference call with Dan Wetzel, Pat Forde, and Dellenger, talking about who the PAC might look to add. They rattle off the whole "full size" list of potential schools (I say full size because they include like UNT), but then Dellenger reads the stated goals of the PAC of qualities they are looking for. The others start to laugh and say (paraphrasing), "yeah, that's like a girl saying they want a guy with 'kind eyes' and then they end up going for the guy with the Lamborghini... let's be honest, it's all about who brings the most TV money, period". You tell 'em, Wetzel.

Funny, when this first broke yesterday, I was suggesting that we should think long and hard about it if the money were as low as $10 to $12M, which I could see. Now there's reports that the value is exactly that. Dang, why couldn't it just be >=$15M and make it a no-brainer? At $10M, we could legitimately be looking at losing money after travel costs are added in, plus we would have late games nobody would see and might be on a terrible network. At least if we're going for those two latter things, we need to get a significant pay bump to make it worth it.

[OGSB]

Wolken: Pac-12 adding Mountain West schools sets new standard of pointlessness in college sports

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/pac-12-add ... 08382.html

[nolasilver]

That Dan Wolken article (which was already linked and discussed) is super lazy. Did he just wake up ? He clearly hasn’t and isn’t paying attention (evident from the schools he thinks the pac will take next : New Mexico, unlv etc).

No one likes realignment but we live in a capitalistic free market society and love a sport that doesn’t have a commissioner. It’s only about maximizing $$$

[OGSB]

That Dan Wolken article (which was already linked and discussed)

Whoops

[ml wave]

Dellenger: After latest realignment moves, which other schools will the Pac-12 try to scoop up?

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/after-late ... 33033.html

I don't know if this always pops up, but in the corner when I opened this, there was a short video clip from a conference call with Dan Wetzel, Pat Forde, and Dellenger, talking about who the PAC might look to add. They rattle off the whole "full size" list of potential schools (I say full size because they include like UNT), but then Dellenger reads the stated goals of the PAC of qualities they are looking for. The others start to laugh and say (paraphrasing), "yeah, that's like a girl saying they want a guy with 'kind eyes' and then they end up going for the guy with the Lamborghini... let's be honest, it's all about who brings the most TV money, period". You tell 'em, Wetzel.

Funny, when this first broke yesterday, I was suggesting that we should think long and hard about it if the money were as low as $10 to $12M, which I could see. Now there's reports that the value is exactly that. Dang, why couldn't it just be >=$15M and make it a no-brainer? At $10M, we could legitimately be looking at losing money after travel costs are added in, plus we would have late games nobody would see and might be on a terrible network. At least if we're going for those two latter things, we need to get a significant pay bump to make it worth it.

The $10MM figure is only the (reported) TV deal for newPAC so that should be compared to the ~$7MM we're getting from the AAC TV deal, not the entire distribution from AAC (NCAA Tournament units, etc.) which is $9MM.

[GretnaGrn]

Dellenger: After latest realignment moves, which other schools will the Pac-12 try to scoop up?

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/after-late ... 33033.html

I don't know if this always pops up, but in the corner when I opened this, there was a short video clip from a conference call with Dan Wetzel, Pat Forde, and Dellenger, talking about who the PAC might look to add. They rattle off the whole "full size" list of potential schools (I say full size because they include like UNT), but then Dellenger reads the stated goals of the PAC of qualities they are looking for. The others start to laugh and say (paraphrasing), "yeah, that's like a girl saying they want a guy with 'kind eyes' and then they end up going for the guy with the Lamborghini... let's be honest, it's all about who brings the most TV money, period". You tell 'em, Wetzel.

Funny, when this first broke yesterday, I was suggesting that we should think long and hard about it if the money were as low as $10 to $12M, which I could see. Now there's reports that the value is exactly that. Dang, why couldn't it just be >=$15M and make it a no-brainer? At $10M, we could legitimately be looking at losing money after travel costs are added in, plus we would have late games nobody would see and might be on a terrible network. At least if we're going for those two latter things, we need to get a significant pay bump to make it worth it.

The $10MM figure is only the (reported) TV deal for newPAC so that should be compared to the ~$7MM we're getting from the AAC TV deal, not the entire distribution from AAC (NCAA Tournament units, etc.) which is $9MM.

Worth noting that the PAC kept the tournament credits from the schools that left, too, so at least short-term they should have rather more from that than the AAC.

[Baywave1]

If we stay and say three or so other members jump to NewPAC, ESPN will offer Tulane and the renamed CUSAAC a helping hand and three kind words: Tuesday NIght Football

[Sophandros]

I will say, I'm very interested in remaining connected to Memphis. Outside of our former SEC peers (including GT), they are the team we've played most often in football and our second most common opponent in basketball. Geographically they are a good fit as a partner and they are committed to athletics in a way that I hope we can one day match. If they are leaving, I want to be on the same boat they are.

There's something to be said about maintaining a rivalry with a school using "Tigers" as their nickname.

[WaveProf]

I will say, I'm very interested in remaining connected to Memphis. Outside of our former SEC peers (including GT), they are the team we've played most often in football and our second most common opponent in basketball. Geographically they are a good fit as a partner and they are committed to athletics in a way that I hope we can one day match. If they are leaving, I want to be on the same boat they are.

There's something to be said about maintaining a rivalry with a school using "Tigers" as their nickname.

Both of whom (obnoxiously) keep live tigers on campus.

And both of whom I hope to be playing annually starting in 2026

[tjtlja]

Article in USA Today referred to by exprof

Writer is not a fan of realignment. He blames everyone.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/c ... 189074007/

Totally agree with him. The top 30 should just break away and let the rest play college sports. The system is broken, rigged, corrupt, and controlled. I could have used 40 more words but decided this was enough.

[WaveProf]

Dellenger: After latest realignment moves, which other schools will the Pac-12 try to scoop up?

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/after-late ... 33033.html

I don't know if this always pops up, but in the corner when I opened this, there was a short video clip from a conference call with Dan Wetzel, Pat Forde, and Dellenger, talking about who the PAC might look to add. They rattle off the whole "full size" list of potential schools (I say full size because they include like UNT), but then Dellenger reads the stated goals of the PAC of qualities they are looking for. The others start to laugh and say (paraphrasing), "yeah, that's like a girl saying they want a guy with 'kind eyes' and then they end up going for the guy with the Lamborghini... let's be honest, it's all about who brings the most TV money, period". You tell 'em, Wetzel.

Funny, when this first broke yesterday, I was suggesting that we should think long and hard about it if the money were as low as $10 to $12M, which I could see. Now there's reports that the value is exactly that. Dang, why couldn't it just be >=$15M and make it a no-brainer? At $10M, we could legitimately be looking at losing money after travel costs are added in, plus we would have late games nobody would see and might be on a terrible network. At least if we're going for those two latter things, we need to get a significant pay bump to make it worth it.

at 10-12 m its a no brainer (assuming memphis isn't stupid enough to not want to go).

[WaveProf]

Totally agree with him. The top 30 should just break away and let the rest play college sports. The system is broken, rigged, corrupt, and controlled. I could have used 40 more words but decided this was enough.

Y'all do realize if the top 30 break off Tulane football becomes irrelevant to about 60% of its hard corps fanbase ant about 90% of the people who casually file into the stands nowadays, right?

The state of college football is crap, highly problematic, and is likely (long term) killing the game. But if we want to stay relevant we have to fight to stay in the group that is relevant, whatever that number is. And when I say "Stay" I use that term loosely. We are only relevant now because we are seen as dominant for the conference we are in. We stopped being in a relevant conference 2 years ago.

[tjtlja]

Totally agree with him. The top 30 should just break away and let the rest play college sports. The system is broken, rigged, corrupt, and controlled. I could have used 40 more words but decided this was enough.

Y'all do realize if the top 30 break off Tulane football becomes irrelevant to about 60% of its hard corps fanbase ant about 90% of the people who casually file into the stands nowadays, right?

The state of college football is crap, highly problematic, and is likely (long term) killing the game. But if we want to stay relevant we have to fight to stay in the group that is relevant, whatever that number is. And when I say "Stay" I use that term loosely. We are only relevant now because we are seen as dominant for the conference we are in. We stopped being in a relevant conference 2 years ago.

I hear what you are saying, but with the 90 teams that don’t get invited, I think we are very relevant. And the break up will happen at some point.

[WaveProf]

I hear what you are saying, but with the 90 teams that don’t get invited, I think we are very relevant. And the break up will happen at some point.

If a tree falls in a forest does anyone hear/see it?

One of college football's biggest mistakes (as you rightly point out, not hte biggest) is making themselves a glorified minor league. If they split, we end up in the minor, minor league. A fair number of us that are diehards won't keep watching, and almost none of the non-diehards will care at all.

[tjtlja]

I hear what you are saying, but with the 90 teams that don’t get invited, I think we are very relevant. And the break up will happen at some point.

If a tree falls in a forest does anyone hear/see it?

One of college football's biggest mistakes (as you rightly point out, not hte biggest) is making themselves a glorified minor league. If they split, we end up in the minor, minor league. A fair number of us that are diehards won't keep watching, and almost none of the non-diehards will care at all.

I don’t agree. But we will get to see it happen at some point.

[waverider]

I just posted the scores from around the conference and added a post that says that I know how the other conference fans felt during the Toledo days and that we should accept any invite that improves our situation.

[WaveProf]

I just posted the scores from around the conference and added a post that says that I know how the other conference fans felt during the Toledo days and that we should accept any invite that improves our situation.

THANKYOU

[Baywave1]

Caught the last half of Sunday (today) interview on ESPNU Sirius Radio with Sports Business Journal writer who is covering NewPac issues. He thinks multiple bidders, need for prime time PTZ live sports programming and folks like CW and TNT not having enough sports programming will result in bidding north of this $10 million per team consultant’s estimate.

He may have mentioned Tulane specifically earlier but in his recap, he noted NewPAC was targeting AAC for additional members.

News is simply that a reputable business writer confirmed existing media business conditions will probably lead to some combination of bidders paying a premium for NewPAC programming.

Just his educated prediction but it is a publication worth following for those interested in deeper analysis.

So be prepared for midnight CTZ Tulane football. Maybe a little snow too.

[Roller]

I hear what you are saying, but with the 90 teams that don’t get invited, I think we are very relevant. And the break up will happen at some point.

If a tree falls in a forest does anyone hear/see it?

One of college football's biggest mistakes (as you rightly point out, not hte biggest) is making themselves a glorified minor league. If they split, we end up in the minor, minor league. A fair number of us that are diehards won't keep watching, and almost none of the non-diehards will care at all.

+1

[Roller]

Totally agree with him. The top 30 should just break away and let the rest play college sports. The system is broken, rigged, corrupt, and controlled. I could have used 40 more words but decided this was enough.

Y'all do realize if the top 30 break off Tulane football becomes irrelevant to about 60% of its hard corps fanbase ant about 90% of the people who casually file into the stands nowadays, right?

The state of college football is crap, highly problematic, and is likely (long term) killing the game. But if we want to stay relevant we have to fight to stay in the group that is relevant, whatever that number is. And when I say "Stay" I use that term loosely. We are only relevant now because we are seen as dominant for the conference we are in. We stopped being in a relevant conference 2 years ago.

I hear what you are saying, but with the 90 teams that don’t get invited, I think we are very relevant. And the break up will happen at some point.

Time and again, we're seeing teams that are LESS relevant than Tulane get selected. (Cincinnati and Louisville, for instance).

[tjtlja]

Totally agree with him. The top 30 should just break away and let the rest play college sports. The system is broken, rigged, corrupt, and controlled. I could have used 40 more words but decided this was enough.

Y'all do realize if the top 30 break off Tulane football becomes irrelevant to about 60% of its hard corps fanbase ant about 90% of the people who casually file into the stands nowadays, right?

The state of college football is crap, highly problematic, and is likely (long term) killing the game. But if we want to stay relevant we have to fight to stay in the group that is relevant, whatever that number is. And when I say "Stay" I use that term loosely. We are only relevant now because we are seen as dominant for the conference we are in. We stopped being in a relevant conference 2 years ago.

I hear what you are saying, but with the 90 teams that don’t get invited, I think we are very relevant. And the break up will happen at some point.

Time and again, we're seeing teams that are LESS relevant than Tulane get selected. (Cincinnati and Louisville, for instance).

And exactly what makes them any less relevant that us.