Bad week for celebrities

[PeteRasche]

We always had RIP threads for various folks here... either those have died (no pun intended) from lack of traffic here or this week has had too many to mention. In less than a week, we lost Dr. Ruth, Richard Simmons, Shannon Doherty, Bob Newhart, and newsman Lou Dobbs.

I once met Simmons in the Quarter about 20 years ago while down for Jazzfest. Walking from breakfast and he just happened to be coming out of his residence. He was in his tank top and short shorts and was exactly the same as on TV... super excitable and friendly, hugged all women in our group, and sang "Giant man! Giant man!" to me. I still remember, he said he was on the way to the hospital to visit a 1000 lb. woman.

[waverider]

I like the memes that said “Keith Richards living longer than Richard Simmons has me questioning this whole eat healthy and exercise thing”.

Of course a funny reply was, Keith Richards has been dead but just won’t admit it

[WaveProf]

Kris Kristofferson really made me very, very sad.

[doncecco]

and now Pete Rose, Dikembe, John Amos, and John Aston (from Beverly Hills Cop fame).

More than just in 3s this week

[WaveProf]

and now Pete Rose, Dikembe, John Amos, and John Aston (from Beverly Hills Cop fame).

More than just in 3s this week

Maggie Smith was this week too, right?

I never rejoice any anyone's death, but I'm not sure a lot of people are crying a lot of tears about Pete Rose. My grandmother would have, though, if she were still around.

[PeteRasche]

and now Pete Rose, Dikembe, John Amos, and John Aston (from Beverly Hills Cop fame).

More than just in 3s this week

Maggie Smith was this week too, right?

I never rejoice any anyone's death, but I'm not sure a lot of people are crying a lot of tears about Pete Rose. My grandmother would have, though, if she were still around.

Well it's been a while since you were around Cincinnati, and probably MLB fans in general.

[WaveProf]

Well it's been a while since you were around Cincinnati, and probably MLB fans in general.

True, and true. And fair. Have they found a way to rehabilitate Marge Schott too?

I remember people loving/defending him at the height of the controversy and even after.....heck, I was at the game where Rose pushed Dave Palone (am I remembering his name correctly?) and instead of being negative about Rose, people threw all kinds of stuff on the field mad at Palone. I knew all that. I guess I just thought, somehow, over decades of him showing himself to be a horrible a--, *regardless* of how one thinks about the gambling/baseball, that his popularity had surely suffered.

When I think of great players from the Big Red machine he is third or fourth to come to mind, and meanwhile we've had other, more likeable players since then who were comparably good (Larkin, Griffey Jr, in most people's opinion Votto, even if I'm not as sold).

[PeteRasche]

Rose embodied the gritty, hard-working attitude of west siders (where he was from) and also appealed to anyone who values sports success over a personality or off-field behavior. There are a lot of those people.

If anything, his popularity (or at least the number of people who think he deserves to be in the HOF) has increased in recent years because of the fact sports gambling is now so common pretty much everywhere.

Schott died 20 years ago. Her legacy is cemented.

[WaveProf]

Rose embodied the gritty, hard-working attitude of west siders (where he was from) and also appealed to anyone who values sports success over a personality or off-field behavior. There are a lot of those people.

If anything, his popularity (or at least the number of people who think he deserves to be in the HOF) has increased in recent years because of the fact sports gambling is now so common pretty much everywhere.

Schott died 20 years ago. Her legacy is cemented.

Sports betting becoming more common makes sense for mimimizing anger over betting but it still shocks me it minimizes betting on your own darn team

[PeteRasche]

I don't disagree but if you don't think baseball is turning a blind eye to gambling now, look no farther than Ohtani.

[WaveProf]

I don't disagree but if you don't think baseball is turning a blind eye to gambling now, look no farther than Ohtani.

Absolutely fair

[WaveProf]

I don't disagree but if you don't think baseball is turning a blind eye to gambling now, look no farther than Ohtani.

Absolutely fair

[ml wave]

Rose embodied the gritty, hard-working attitude of west siders (where he was from) and also appealed to anyone who values sports success over a personality or off-field behavior. There are a lot of those people.

If anything, his popularity (or at least the number of people who think he deserves to be in the HOF) has increased in recent years because of the fact sports gambling is now so common pretty much everywhere.

Schott died 20 years ago. Her legacy is cemented.

You're in a Cincinnati bubble. Rose is a loser, a liar, and a joke. His actions/attitude after getting banned won him no favors (e.g. only admitting to gambling in his book to make a buck after years of strong denials, hanging around Vegas/Cooperstown hawking autographs, etc.) and the conversation about him getting into the HoF had basically ended (maybe it will resurface posthumously).

[PeteRasche]

Rose embodied the gritty, hard-working attitude of west siders (where he was from) and also appealed to anyone who values sports success over a personality or off-field behavior. There are a lot of those people.

If anything, his popularity (or at least the number of people who think he deserves to be in the HOF) has increased in recent years because of the fact sports gambling is now so common pretty much everywhere.

Schott died 20 years ago. Her legacy is cemented.

You're in a Cincinnati bubble. Rose is a loser, a liar, and a joke. His actions/attitude after getting banned won him no favors (e.g. only admitting to gambling in his book to make a buck after years of strong denials, hanging around Vegas/Cooperstown hawking autographs, etc.) and the conversation about him getting into the HoF had basically ended (maybe it will resurface posthumously).

Of course I am. And I tend to feel how you do (not a popular view in Cincinnati). But I was on a business trip when he died (in Omaha, Nebraska!) and went with some folks to a dive bar for happy hour, where a various assortment of people were watching playoff baseball at 5:30 pm on a Tuesday, and of the half dozen or so people there we were chatting with (from the lonesome elderly gentleman to the biker dude, all of whom had allegiances to other non-Cincinnati teams), they unanimously felt Rose belonged in the Hall and should have been in years ago. So it's not just my bubble.

I would suggest maybe you're in a bubble in New Orleans, where people generally don't even talk MLB, or at least things unrelated to the current daily goings-on?

[ml wave]

Rose embodied the gritty, hard-working attitude of west siders (where he was from) and also appealed to anyone who values sports success over a personality or off-field behavior. There are a lot of those people.

If anything, his popularity (or at least the number of people who think he deserves to be in the HOF) has increased in recent years because of the fact sports gambling is now so common pretty much everywhere.

Schott died 20 years ago. Her legacy is cemented.

You're in a Cincinnati bubble. Rose is a loser, a liar, and a joke. His actions/attitude after getting banned won him no favors (e.g. only admitting to gambling in his book to make a buck after years of strong denials, hanging around Vegas/Cooperstown hawking autographs, etc.) and the conversation about him getting into the HoF had basically ended (maybe it will resurface posthumously).

Of course I am. And I tend to feel how you do (not a popular view in Cincinnati). But I was on a business trip when he died (in Omaha, Nebraska!) and went with some folks to a dive bar for happy hour, where a various assortment of people were watching playoff baseball at 5:30 pm on a Tuesday, and of the half dozen or so people there we were chatting with (from the lonesome elderly gentleman to the biker dude, all of whom had allegiances to other non-Cincinnati teams), they unanimously felt Rose belonged in the Hall and should have been in years ago. So it's not just my bubble.

I would suggest maybe you're in a bubble in New Orleans, where people generally don't even talk MLB, or at least things unrelated to the current daily goings-on?

I mean, most don't speak ill of the dead (myself excluded!) so what else do you expect?

[PeteRasche]

For a long time people have said that he was banned for life, so once his life ended, he'd get in. Welp, they didn't think it would be so soon, but...

[WaveProf]

For a long time people have said that he was banned for life, so once his life ended, he'd get in. Welp, they didn't think it would be so soon, but...

So soon? He was 83.

Shoeless Joe didn't get in after his death. Why break precedent for the man who recorded the most outs in MLB history? (ducks for cover)

[PeteRasche]

It always feels "soon" when someone is out in public at various things and nobody's realizes they're maybe ill or whatever and it hits out of nowhere. No matter how old they were.