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As we all know, players can pull their names out of the draft before a certain date, but the 2024-25 Green Wave MBB just took a massive hit if Sion does go pro.
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Holloway in the transfer portal as of today, he tweets.
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randymc wrote: Tue Apr 09, 2024 4:39 pm Holloway in the transfer portal as of today, he tweets.
I added that to the headline.. just saw his Xit

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Johnny Mac wrote: Tue Apr 09, 2024 4:32 pm As we all know, players can pull their names out of the draft before a certain date, but the 2024-25 Green Wave MBB just took a massive hit if Sion does go pro.
Holloway would have been the best player on the team, the focal point of the offense, and he chose to go elsewhere. Doesn't that tell you everything you need to know about the state of the program. I think Sion James will be back, yes he is a awesome person but he is just not good enough for the NBA, but if he does not come back, you are now looking at a total rebuild. Given that why are we bringing back Hunter?

Look at the success that first year coaches had in the American.

Is the Administration just going to ignore this?

Hunter has got to go
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BobbyS wrote: Tue Apr 09, 2024 5:01 pm
Johnny Mac wrote: Tue Apr 09, 2024 4:32 pm As we all know, players can pull their names out of the draft before a certain date, but the 2024-25 Green Wave MBB just took a massive hit if Sion does go pro.
Is the Administration just going to ignore this?
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Luckily with the portal we can bring in 5 new guys who will have learned the system by year 3.
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Crazy to say this- but I hope ed bot roasts Hunter and Harris for being cheap
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BobbyS wrote: Tue Apr 09, 2024 5:01 pm
Johnny Mac wrote: Tue Apr 09, 2024 4:32 pm As we all know, players can pull their names out of the draft before a certain date, but the 2024-25 Green Wave MBB just took a massive hit if Sion does go pro.
Holloway would have been the best player on the team, the focal point of the offense, and he chose to go elsewhere. Doesn't that tell you everything you need to know about the state of the program. I think Sion James will be back, yes he is a awesome person but he is just not good enough for the NBA, but if he does not come back, you are now looking at a total rebuild. Given that why are we bringing back Hunter?

Look at the success that first year coaches had in the American.

Is the Administration just going to ignore this?

Hunter has got to go
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Your anger is warranted. These decision to keep him is the fiscally responsible one unfortunately. We aren't a medium or big time program that will lose a lot of money in donors or attendance if he gets another year. That is the reality of Tulane basketball.
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Poseidon wrote: Tue Apr 09, 2024 8:06 pm
BobbyS wrote: Tue Apr 09, 2024 5:01 pm
Johnny Mac wrote: Tue Apr 09, 2024 4:32 pm As we all know, players can pull their names out of the draft before a certain date, but the 2024-25 Green Wave MBB just took a massive hit if Sion does go pro.
Holloway would have been the best player on the team, the focal point of the offense, and he chose to go elsewhere. Doesn't that tell you everything you need to know about the state of the program. I think Sion James will be back, yes he is a awesome person but he is just not good enough for the NBA, but if he does not come back, you are now looking at a total rebuild. Given that why are we bringing back Hunter?

Look at the success that first year coaches had in the American.

Is the Administration just going to ignore this?

Hunter has got to go
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Your anger is warranted. These decision to keep him is the fiscally responsible one unfortunately. We aren't a medium or big time program that will lose a lot of money in donors or attendance if he gets another year. That is the reality of Tulane basketball.
How would they lose attendance? There isn't any to speak of to start with.
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Poseidon wrote: Tue Apr 09, 2024 8:06 pm
BobbyS wrote: Tue Apr 09, 2024 5:01 pm
Johnny Mac wrote: Tue Apr 09, 2024 4:32 pm As we all know, players can pull their names out of the draft before a certain date, but the 2024-25 Green Wave MBB just took a massive hit if Sion does go pro.
Holloway would have been the best player on the team, the focal point of the offense, and he chose to go elsewhere. Doesn't that tell you everything you need to know about the state of the program. I think Sion James will be back, yes he is a awesome person but he is just not good enough for the NBA, but if he does not come back, you are now looking at a total rebuild. Given that why are we bringing back Hunter?

Look at the success that first year coaches had in the American.

Is the Administration just going to ignore this?

Hunter has got to go
:xmad: :xmad: :xmad:
Your anger is warranted. These decision to keep him is the fiscally responsible one unfortunately. We aren't a medium or big time program that will lose a lot of money in donors or attendance if he gets another year. That is the reality of Tulane basketball.
And decisions like retaining him will help ensure we are never medium or big time, and don’t ever have to worry about making money off of one of the two revenue generating sports, which coincidentally the conference we allegedly want to join values more than most.
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To Gretna's point, the retention does feel penny wise and pound foolish for the mid to long term. It reminds me of turning down the Humanitarian Bowl in 97 because we'd lose money on the game, not factoring in all the unseen benefits. It also reminds me of SMU twisting themselves in pretzels financially to just get to the ACC which already seems to me to have been objectively a good move. Yet plenty around the country were lampooning their lack of fiscal sense. Notice how they were included in the super league model as a permanent team despite just barely getting in under the gate.

I can see the other side too and have commented on it above, but the longer I sit with it, the longer it feels like a total lame duck move. Everybody will know he's a dead man walking which will further impact his ability to have any success and so we will have saved a bit of money by acting small time and it might have repercussions for the chair we get to sit in, if any, when the music stops playing.
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tulaneoutlaw wrote: Wed Apr 10, 2024 5:06 am To Gretna's point, the retention does feel penny wise and pound foolish for the mid to long term. It reminds me of turning down the Humanitarian Bowl in 97 because we'd lose money on the game, not factoring in all the unseen benefits. It also reminds me of SMU twisting themselves in pretzels financially to just get to the ACC which already seems to me to have been objectively a good move. Yet plenty around the country were lampooning their lack of fiscal sense. Notice how they were included in the super league model as a permanent team despite just barely getting in under the gate.

I can see the other side too and have commented on it above, but the longer I sit with it, the longer it feels like a total lame duck move. Everybody will know he's a dead man walking which will further impact his ability to have any success and so we will have saved a bit of money by acting small time and it might have repercussions for the chair we get to sit in, if any, when the music stops playing.
Looking back at that Bowl decision and thinking how playing in it back then would have been so much more beneficial than had that situation happened recently. At that time, you were lucky to get even one televised game a season. The bowls were a good way for the rest of the country to get to know about teams from other regions, conferences, etc. The free advertising alone. Of course, as we know, it didn’t matter in the long run as Tulane made sure the program stayed irrelevant after Bowden and Rich Rod’s run.
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Poseidon wrote: Tue Apr 09, 2024 8:06 pm Your anger is warranted. These decision to keep him is the fiscally responsible one unfortunately. We aren't a medium or big time program that will lose a lot of money in donors or attendance if he gets another year. That is the reality of Tulane basketball.
Where I disagree with this comment, Poseidon, is hiring an excellent new coach can bring in donors and increase attendance next year. So I am looking at the loss of more donors and increased attendance. If you disagree then why ever bother at all? It's not about losing the attendance we currently have, it's about building new fans to see the winning team. Staying with Coach Hunter ain't it.
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CT Wave wrote: Wed Apr 10, 2024 10:11 am
Poseidon wrote: Tue Apr 09, 2024 8:06 pm Your anger is warranted. These decision to keep him is the fiscally responsible one unfortunately. We aren't a medium or big time program that will lose a lot of money in donors or attendance if he gets another year. That is the reality of Tulane basketball.
Where I disagree with this comment, Poseidon, is hiring an excellent new coach can bring in donors and increase attendance next year. So I am looking at the loss of more donors and increased attendance. If you disagree then why ever bother at all? It's not about losing the attendance we currently have, it's about building new fans to see the winning team. Staying with Coach Hunter ain't it.
That's fair. If we were talking about football it would be a different animal. I think we should move on from Hunter. That said, dropping at least 7 figures on a buyout then also paying a new coach cost a good bit. There are many others who think "caring" about athletics can be done without fiscally responsible decisions. It reminds me of my children who "care" an awful lot about going places and doing things as if money doesn't matter. Unfortunately I am betting in this case it does. Another scenario is we considered it but weren't satisfied with who would be interested in replacing Hunter. If say, Will Wade was interested the the financial risk may very likely be woth it, but if no Sumralls, or fritz types had any interest then we hold tight and possibly go to market with a larger purse next year.
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If this goes to form and James, King and Holloway follow the grads Cross and Forbes in leaving, Hunter loses his entire starting lineup for much of last season. Tulane might lead country in fewest returning player minutes next season.

All for an unadapted coach whose system he proudly proclaims takes years to learn.

Replace in the portal? Sure at same odds as betting 00 on roulette wheel.

Separately I do expect Tulane will win more than 8 games because its OOC SOS will rank 300+ in D1 universe.

Regardless i will renew season tickets because i won’t believe my lying eyes and like Elizabeth Taylor, I’m happily marrying Larry Fortensky because i know number eight will succeed.
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Worth noting in all of this, and the stench of Hunter's retention that clouds everything, is that declaring for the NBA draft does not mean James is actually gone; as we've seen before with other players, you can go through the process and get the benefit of pro evaluations and tips on where you need to work to go pro. While I don't see James as a NBA player as of now, he definitely could play professionally abroad at some level if he so chooses, and that NBA scouting advice will come in handy for molding himself to be attractive for that, even if he returns (as I think likely; I would be more worried if he were in the transfer portal).
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Baywave1 wrote: Wed Apr 10, 2024 11:12 am If this goes to form and James, King and Holloway follow the grads Cross and Forbes in leaving, Hunter loses his entire starting lineup for much of last season. Tulane might lead country in fewest returning player minutes next season.

didn't we lead the nation in that stat (returning minutes played) this past season?
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Johnny Mac wrote: Wed Apr 10, 2024 12:54 pm
Baywave1 wrote: Wed Apr 10, 2024 11:12 am If this goes to form and James, King and Holloway follow the grads Cross and Forbes in leaving, Hunter loses his entire starting lineup for much of last season. Tulane might lead country in fewest returning player minutes next season.

didn't we lead the nation in that stat (returning minutes played) this past season?
But this one can be an “extra year” excuse. Where’s Chris Scelfo when we need someone to proclaim the youth (newness) of the roster as being the reflection of the record.
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waverider wrote: Wed Apr 10, 2024 4:04 pm
Johnny Mac wrote: Wed Apr 10, 2024 12:54 pm
Baywave1 wrote: Wed Apr 10, 2024 11:12 am If this goes to form and James, King and Holloway follow the grads Cross and Forbes in leaving, Hunter loses his entire starting lineup for much of last season. Tulane might lead country in fewest returning player minutes next season.

didn't we lead the nation in that stat (returning minutes played) this past season?
But this one can be an “extra year” excuse. Where’s Chris Scelfo when we need someone to proclaim the youth (newness) of the roster as being the reflection of the record.
dafuq do you need Scelfo for? Hunter's been using the "it takes some time for players to learn my system" and "we got tired after playing in China" excuses... 100% he uses the "well, none of my guys came back from last year and we had to start from square 1" when we are 2-10 going into conference play.
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Johnny Mac wrote: Thu Apr 11, 2024 8:11 am
waverider wrote: Wed Apr 10, 2024 4:04 pm
Johnny Mac wrote: Wed Apr 10, 2024 12:54 pm
Baywave1 wrote: Wed Apr 10, 2024 11:12 am If this goes to form and James, King and Holloway follow the grads Cross and Forbes in leaving, Hunter loses his entire starting lineup for much of last season. Tulane might lead country in fewest returning player minutes next season.

didn't we lead the nation in that stat (returning minutes played) this past season?
But this one can be an “extra year” excuse. Where’s Chris Scelfo when we need someone to proclaim the youth (newness) of the roster as being the reflection of the record.
dafuq do you need Scelfo for? Hunter's been using the "it takes some time for players to learn my system" and "we got tired after playing in China" excuses... 100% he uses the "well, none of my guys came back from last year and we had to start from square 1" when we are 2-10 going into conference play.
My first thought at seeing 2-10 was to wonder how we could ever win 2...man, football can't get here fast enough. Spring sports have gotten really depressing....
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Remember this coach scheduled an NAIA team for the last pre- conference tuneup in late December. We will win way more than 2 games and won’t even finish DFL in AAC regular season because we will almost certainly play the likes of Rice twice.

It won’t matter. I can give no sound reasoning to expect Tulane to even be a Top 100 team next year much less a post-season team other than sheer fan irrational exuberant expectations.

NC State ran off nine straight post-season wins after playing as an average team much of the year. So lightning could strike for Hunter. Just have to hope and pray it does like successful 8th marriages to Larry Fortensky.
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GretnaGrn wrote: Thu Apr 11, 2024 11:16 am
My first thought at seeing 2-10 was to wonder how we could ever win 2...man, football can't get here fast enough. Spring sports have gotten really depressing....
you know we'll have at least two sub 300 RPI teams on the OOC schedule that we'll be able to out athlete and steal home wins against
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I assume rice will be better than us next year
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Johnny Mac wrote: Thu Apr 11, 2024 8:11 am
waverider wrote: Wed Apr 10, 2024 4:04 pm
Johnny Mac wrote: Wed Apr 10, 2024 12:54 pm
Baywave1 wrote: Wed Apr 10, 2024 11:12 am If this goes to form and James, King and Holloway follow the grads Cross and Forbes in leaving, Hunter loses his entire starting lineup for much of last season. Tulane might lead country in fewest returning player minutes next season.

didn't we lead the nation in that stat (returning minutes played) this past season?
But this one can be an “extra year” excuse. Where’s Chris Scelfo when we need someone to proclaim the youth (newness) of the roster as being the reflection of the record.
dafuq do you need Scelfo for? Hunter's been using the "it takes some time for players to learn my system" and "we got tired after playing in China" excuses... 100% he uses the "well, none of my guys came back from last year and we had to start from square 1" when we are 2-10 going into conference play.
I forgot how proficient he is in excuse making
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nolasilver wrote: Fri Apr 12, 2024 4:18 pm I assume rice just about everyone will be better than us next year
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