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Amen. Its intention is to provide "an unbiased account..."
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On the bright side, the environment will be great since apparently we're all going to die of Omicron in the next three months. 8)
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Why not just move everyone to Tasmania.
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PeteRasche wrote: Mon Dec 20, 2021 11:20 am On the bright side, the environment will be great since apparently we're all going to die of Omicron in the next three months. 8)
Incorrect....we will all die from the next TRANSFORMER named variant!!!!
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PeteRasche wrote: Mon Dec 20, 2021 11:20 am On the bright side, the environment will be great since apparently we're all going to die of Omicron in the next three months. 8)
Something no one anywhere said. Fact is some states in the northeast and midwest have had their governors call out the National Guard to help with the staffing issues at hospitals due to the influx of patients with omicron. Some of those people that get hospitalized have died. Louisiana has now seen its number of hospitalized triple in the last week and yes there are deaths from it here. I'm sure the families of those deceased would appreciate your snark.
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wavedom wrote: Wed Dec 29, 2021 1:28 pm
PeteRasche wrote: Mon Dec 20, 2021 11:20 am On the bright side, the environment will be great since apparently we're all going to die of Omicron in the next three months. 8)
Something no one anywhere said. Fact is some states in the northeast and midwest have had their governors call out the National Guard to help with the staffing issues at hospitals due to the influx of patients with omicron. Some of those people that get hospitalized have died. Louisiana has now seen its number of hospitalized triple in the last week and yes there are deaths from it here. I'm sure the families of those deceased would appreciate your snark.
At the time I posted it (9 days ago, what took you so long?), the media was talking about it and how it was spreading fast, but there had not been a single instance of anyone with it having anything more than sniffles. Yet the media was blowing it up, hence my post intending to point out the media's tendency to overblow everything.

In the time since, I've heard of one person who died of reliably-confirmed Omicron, and he was old and had significant underlying conditions. One. I'm sure there have been more since but it's not Omicron that's blowing up hospitals. You know I'm generally on your side on this debate but perhaps you missed that the CDC pulled a major gaffe (again) and retracted their previous Omicron numbers yesterday, by a HUGE (like, laughably, incredulously wrong) amount. Basically they said, "oh, sorry, all those people in the hospitals? Yeah, they're actually almost entirely Delta." I've still not seen any solid, reliable info anywhere that Omicron is life-threatening to anyone who doesn't have major preexisting conditions. If you have, please share, because it would be contradicting the CDC (as of yesterday).
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PeteRasche wrote: Wed Dec 29, 2021 10:09 pm
wavedom wrote: Wed Dec 29, 2021 1:28 pm
PeteRasche wrote: Mon Dec 20, 2021 11:20 am On the bright side, the environment will be great since apparently we're all going to die of Omicron in the next three months. 8)
Something no one anywhere said. Fact is some states in the northeast and midwest have had their governors call out the National Guard to help with the staffing issues at hospitals due to the influx of patients with omicron. Some of those people that get hospitalized have died. Louisiana has now seen its number of hospitalized triple in the last week and yes there are deaths from it here. I'm sure the families of those deceased would appreciate your snark.
At the time I posted it (9 days ago, what took you so long?), the media was talking about it and how it was spreading fast, but there had not been a single instance of anyone with it having anything more than sniffles. Yet the media was blowing it up, hence my post intending to point out the media's tendency to overblow everything.

In the time since, I've heard of one person who died of reliably-confirmed Omicron, and he was old and had significant underlying conditions. One. I'm sure there have been more since but it's not Omicron that's blowing up hospitals. You know I'm generally on your side on this debate but perhaps you missed that the CDC pulled a major gaffe (again) and retracted their previous Omicron numbers yesterday, by a HUGE (like, laughably, incredulously wrong) amount. Basically they said, "oh, sorry, all those people in the hospitals? Yeah, they're actually almost entirely Delta." I've still not seen any solid, reliable info anywhere that Omicron is life-threatening to anyone who doesn't have major preexisting conditions. If you have, please share, because it would be contradicting the CDC (as of yesterday).
Post your link. Over 80% in the hospital due to unvaccinated with omicron in Louisiana .
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wavedom wrote: Wed Dec 29, 2021 11:33 pm
PeteRasche wrote: Wed Dec 29, 2021 10:09 pm
wavedom wrote: Wed Dec 29, 2021 1:28 pm
PeteRasche wrote: Mon Dec 20, 2021 11:20 am On the bright side, the environment will be great since apparently we're all going to die of Omicron in the next three months. 8)
Something no one anywhere said. Fact is some states in the northeast and midwest have had their governors call out the National Guard to help with the staffing issues at hospitals due to the influx of patients with omicron. Some of those people that get hospitalized have died. Louisiana has now seen its number of hospitalized triple in the last week and yes there are deaths from it here. I'm sure the families of those deceased would appreciate your snark.
At the time I posted it (9 days ago, what took you so long?), the media was talking about it and how it was spreading fast, but there had not been a single instance of anyone with it having anything more than sniffles. Yet the media was blowing it up, hence my post intending to point out the media's tendency to overblow everything.

In the time since, I've heard of one person who died of reliably-confirmed Omicron, and he was old and had significant underlying conditions. One. I'm sure there have been more since but it's not Omicron that's blowing up hospitals. You know I'm generally on your side on this debate but perhaps you missed that the CDC pulled a major gaffe (again) and retracted their previous Omicron numbers yesterday, by a HUGE (like, laughably, incredulously wrong) amount. Basically they said, "oh, sorry, all those people in the hospitals? Yeah, they're actually almost entirely Delta." I've still not seen any solid, reliable info anywhere that Omicron is life-threatening to anyone who doesn't have major preexisting conditions. If you have, please share, because it would be contradicting the CDC (as of yesterday).
Post your link. Over 80% in the hospital due to unvaccinated with omicron in Louisiana .
Probably this: https://www.politico.com/news/2021/12/2 ... ate-526210
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Good news this morning: reports from South Africa (where Omicron was first identified) that the Omicron wave seems to be subsiding already with minimal significant harm and hardly any deaths. They are hoping to see similar here.
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But what would that mean for our winter of "severe illness and death"?
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CT Wave wrote: Fri Dec 31, 2021 11:36 am But what would that mean for our winter of "severe illness and death"?
It doesn't change the hospitals overwhelmed with people with Delta.
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PeteRasche wrote: Fri Dec 31, 2021 9:13 am Good news this morning: reports from South Africa (where Omicron was first identified) that the Omicron wave seems to be subsiding already with minimal significant harm and hardly any deaths. They are hoping to see similar here.
In South Africa they are using the J&J shot and giving 2 doses which they have now found to be 85% effective in preventing hospitalizations.
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PeteRasche wrote: Fri Dec 31, 2021 12:21 pm
CT Wave wrote: Fri Dec 31, 2021 11:36 am But what would that mean for our winter of "severe illness and death"?
It doesn't change the hospitals overwhelmed with people with Delta.
It's another pandemic of the unvaccinated. The hospitals are overwhelmed with a mix of people with Delta and those with omicron. Omicron is the dominant variant in Louisiana and we are setting records the last few days for most cases in a day. The hospital numbers are up 150% in just the last week. That's people who mostly have omicron.
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wavedom wrote: Fri Dec 31, 2021 1:22 pm
PeteRasche wrote: Fri Dec 31, 2021 12:21 pm
CT Wave wrote: Fri Dec 31, 2021 11:36 am But what would that mean for our winter of "severe illness and death"?
It doesn't change the hospitals overwhelmed with people with Delta.
It's another pandemic of the unvaccinated. The hospitals are overwhelmed with a mix of people with Delta and those with omicron. Omicron is the dominant variant in Louisiana and we are setting records the last few days for most cases in a day. The hospital numbers are up 150% in just the last week. That's people who mostly have omicron.
I don't think I've had a conversation over the last ~week without talking to or about someone with Covid (presumably Omicron). Anecdotally it seems way more widespread than previous spikes.
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Well, it is more widespread. They told us that from the start, it spreads way more easily than any previous variant.
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To be honest, this is the type of variant that is more common in viral epidemics; can be more contagious, but is not as severe a disease. I am going to add my name to those afflicted with this; after two vaccines and the booster, wearing surgical masks all day in my office, limiting where I went, and fighting chapped hands due to the amount of "cologne" (I have jokingly referred to it as "eau de sanitizee) I have used with each patient, I developed COVID Christmas day. I did not lose any taste or smell, did not have the level of anorexia (loss of appetite) that my other patients have complained about.

My brother is an Internist in Johnson City; when I described the symptoms he confirmed what I thought- that there are different symptoms associated with this variant than with the previous versions. There is some evidence that Omicron infection might be protective against other variants; I hope that this will be the variant that will lead toward the "herd immunity" that so many have hoped for. 1-2 days of feeling a lot like a bad influenza or cold, then began to steadily improve. Wife has a scratchy throat, body aches and some fever. Son asked for some advil this morning, has otherwise not been too bad.

At least I have used the time with some purpose; 15 hours of CME thus far. Hope you all stay well, if you get it (which I fear many of you will), I hope that it is mild. If any of you start to have respiratory compromise, particularly those with risk factors for a worse course, PLEASE contract your PCP and try to get one of the infusible treatments; I don't have any experience with the new oral medication, but if bad might be worth getting it.
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