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I have a ton of respect for the USMA and its team. My cousin is a graduate and is currently a colonial. Very proud of him and the Academy. That said, I'm tired of hearing about their vaunted defense and how tough it is to attack.

Here's the Ball State summary:

Score by Quarters 1 2 3 4 Score
----------------- -- -- -- -- -----
ARMY................ 0 0 7 14 - 21 Record: (1-3-0)
Ball State.......... 7 24 14 3 - 48 Record: (3-1-0)



Scoring Summary:
1st 10:01 BSU - EDWARDS, Jahwan 3 yd run (SCHOTT, Steven kick), 12-80 4:59, ARMY 0 - BSU 7
2nd 12:38 BSU - EDWARDS, Jahwan 12 yd run (SCHOTT, Steven kick), 6-80 2:24, ARMY 0 - BSU 14
04:39 BSU - SMITH, Jamill 2 yd pass from WENNING, Keith (SCHOTT, Steven kick), 11-59 4:28, ARMY 0 - BSU 21
02:38 BSU - SNEAD, Willie 21 yd pass from WENNING, Keith (SCHOTT, Steven kick), 6-17 1:47, ARMY 0 - BSU 28
00:00 BSU - SCHOTT, Steven 21 yd field goal, 11-56 1:40, ARMY 0 - BSU 31
3rd 08:12 BSU - EDWARDS, Jahwan 1 yd run (SCHOTT, Steven kick), 6-62 2:12, ARMY 0 - BSU 38
04:11 ARMY - Maples, Raymond 1 yd run (Carlton, Alex kick), 8-77 3:55, ARMY 7 - BSU 38
01:47 BSU - SCHNEIDER, D. 51 yd pass from WENNING, Keith (SCHOTT, Steven kick), 5-60 2:24, ARMY 7 - BSU 45
4th 12:49 ARMY - Maples, Raymond 19 yd run (Carlton, Alex kick), 10-80 3:51, ARMY 14 - BSU 45
02:50 BSU - SCHOTT, Steven 22 yd field goal, 10-78 5:34, ARMY 14 - BSU 48
01:07 ARMY - Baggett, Terry 7 yd run (Carlton, Alex kick), 6-52 1:38, ARMY 21 - BSU 48



ARMY BSU
FIRST DOWNS................... 19 26
RUSHES-YARDS (NET)............ 59-402 42-162
PASSING YDS (NET)............. 0 383
Passes Att-Comp-Int........... 4-0-1 33-26-0
TOTAL OFFENSE PLAYS-YARDS..... 63-402 75-545
Fumble Returns-Yards.......... 0-0 0-0
Punt Returns-Yards............ 1-1 1-12
Kickoff Returns-Yards......... 6-136 0-0
Interception Returns-Yards.... 0-0 1-18
Punts (Number-Avg)............ 3-39.3 2-37.0
Fumbles-Lost.................. 1-0 1-0
Penalties-Yards............... 5-55 5-45
Possession Time............... 28:48 31:12
Third-Down Conversions........ 6 of 12 10 of 13
Fourth-Down Conversions....... 0 of 2 0 of 0
Red-Zone Scores-Chances....... 3-5 7-7
Sacks By: Number-Yards........ 0-0 1-3


RUSHING: ARMY-Maples, Raymond 16-125; Hassin, Jared 17-111; Steelman,
Trent 11-81; Baggett, Terry 4-36; Brown, Malcolm 5-20; Odocha, Kelechi 1-16;
Dixon, Larry 3-12; Crucitti, Jon 1-1; Williams, Scott 1-0. Ball State-EDWARDS,
Jahwan 11-64; SCOTT, B. 11-52; DONNIGAN, D. 12-27; PAGE, Kelly 5-19; WENNING,
Keith 2-5; TEAM 1-minus 5.

PASSING: ARMY-Steelman, Trent 0-3-1-0; Jenkins, Max 0-1-0-0. Ball
State-WENNING, Keith 24-30-0-324; PAGE, Kelly 2-2-0-59; TEAM 0-1-0-0.

RECEIVING: ARMY-. Ball State-SNEAD, Willie 10-180; ORSBON, Briggs 4-28;
SMITH, Jamill 3-55; GIBSON, Torieal 3-31; RYAN, Connor 2-18; MERSHMAN, Aaron
2-17; SCHNEIDER, D. 1-51; SCOTT, B. 1-3.

INTERCEPTIONS: ARMY-None. Ball State-BAKER, Sean 1-18.

FUMBLES: ARMY-Steelman, Trent 1-0. Ball State-TEAM 1-0.

Stadium: Scheumann Stadium Attendance: 15288
Kickoff time: 2:00 pm End of Game: 4:55 pm Total elapsed time: 2:55
Officials: Referee: John Roggeman; Umpire: Mark Shupe; Linesman: John Swartz;
Line judge: Jeff Baur; Back judge: Jeff Latkiewicz; Field judge: Jeffrey Noggle;
Side judge: Grady Smith; Scorer: Brad Caudill;
Temperature: 58 Wind: S 10mph Weather: Mostly Cloudy


Here's the NIU summary:

Score by Quarters 1 2 3 4 Score
ARMY 6 0 0 20 26
Northern Illinois 14 21 14 0 49


SCORING SUMMARY ARMY -NIU
1st 13:43 NIU STEPHEN, Courtn 16 yd blocked punt return (Sims, Mathew kick)
0 - 7
02:37 ARMY Turrentine, T. 14 yd run (Carlton, Alex kick failed)
7 plays, 63 yards, TOP 3:34 6 - 7
01:36 NIU Eakes, Luke 13 yd pass from HARNISH, Chand (Sims, Mathew kick)
3 plays, 72 yards, TOP 1:01 6 - 14
2nd 14:50 NIU PALMER, Nathan 19 yd pass from HARNISH, Chand (Sims, Mathew kick)
5 plays, 53 yards, TOP 1:35 6 - 21
12:49 NIU Daniels, Akeem 6 yd pass from HARNISH, Chand (Sims, Mathew kick)
3 plays, 11 yards, TOP 1:06 6 - 28
07:29 NIU HARNISH, Chand 1 yd run (Sims, Mathew kick)
8 plays, 82 yards, TOP 2:40 6 - 35
3rd 10:16 NIU Womble, Jamal 58 yd pass from HARNISH, Chand (Sims, Mathew kick)
4 plays, 62 yards, TOP 1:29 6 - 42
01:20 NIU Moore, Martel 4 yd pass from HARNISH, Chand (Sims, Mathew kick)
17 plays, 97 yards, TOP 5:12 6 - 49
4th 14:35 ARMY Steelman, Trent 2 yd run (Steelman, Trent pass failed)
4 plays, 49 yards, TOP 1:45 12 - 49
08:27 ARMY Brown, Malcolm 1 yd run (Steelman, Trent rush)
12 plays, 66 yards, TOP 4:08 20 - 49
00:12 ARMY McFarlin, Jared 11 yd pass from Jenkins, Max (Jenkins, Max pass failed)
14 plays, 83 yards, TOP 3:23 26 - 49


Kickoff time: 6:05 PM • End of Game: 9:11 PM • Total elapsed time: 3:06
Referee: Ron Snodgrass • Umpire: Mark Shupe • Linesman: Greg Sujack • Line judge: Jeff Baur • Back judge: Jeff Latkiewicz • Field judge: Brad Horchem • Side judge: Richard Ames • Scorer: Zach Peters •
Temperature: 72 • Wind: NW 9 MPH • Weather: Cloudy, drizzle

Team Statistics
Team Statistics (Final)
The Automated ScoreBook
ARMY vs Northern Illinois (Sep 03, 2011 at DeKalb, Ill.)

Team Totals ARMY NIU
FIRST DOWNS 24 26
Rushing 19 12
Passing 4 12
Penalty 1 2
NET YARDS RUSHING 303 289
Rushing Attempts 63 47
Average Per Rush 4.8 6.1
Rushing Touchdowns 3 1
Yards Gained Rushing 334 317
Yards Lost Rushing 31 28
NET YARDS PASSING 106 220
Completions-Attempts-Int 7-16-1 15-24-1
Average Per Attempt 6.6 9.2
Average Per Completion 15.1 14.7
Passing Touchdowns 1 5
TOTAL OFFENSE YARDS 409 509
Total offense plays 79 71
Average Gain Per Play 5.2 7.2
Fumbles: Number-Lost 2-2 1-1
Penalties: Number-Yards 6-51 5-40
PUNTS-YARDS 3-125 2-74
Average Yards Per Punt 41.7 37.0
Net Yards Per Punt 33.0 37.0
Inside 20 3 1
50+ Yards 1 0
Touchbacks 0 0
Fair catch 0 1
KICKOFFS-YARDS 5-303 8-461
Average Yards Per Kickoff 60.6 57.6
Net Yards Per Kickoff 48.8 40.0
Touchbacks 1 0
Punt returns: Number-Yards-TD 0-0-0 2-26-1
Average Per Return 0.0 13.0
Kickoff returns: Number-Yds-TD 8-141-0 2-39-0
Average Per Return 17.6 19.5
Interceptions: Number-Yds-TD 1-2-0 1--5-0
Fumble Returns: Number-Yds-TD 1-7-0 0-0-0
Miscellaneous Yards 0 0
Possession Time 32:59 27:01
1st Quarter 7:58 7:02
2nd Quarter 10:08 4:52
3rd Quarter 6:57 8:03
4th Quarter 7:56 7:04
Third-Down Conversions 6 of 15 11 of 13
Fourth-Down Conversions 3 of 4 0 of 0
Red-Zone Scores-Chances 4-5 5-5
Touchdowns 4-5 5-5
Field goals 0-5 0-5
Sacks By: Number-Yards 1-5 1-9
PAT Kicks 0-1 7-7
Field Goals 0-0 0-0

Ball St. is 3-1 with wins at home against Army and Buffalo, and on the road against Indiana. They lost 31-7 to USF in Tampa. They average 3.9 per rush and 155 rushing yards/game. They went for 3.9 and 162 v. Army on the ground. They average 7 per pass attempt and 232.5 per game. They went for 11.5 per attempt and 383 against Army.

NIU is 2-2 with wins at home v. Army and Cal Poly, and road losses to Wisconsin and Kansas. They average 5.6 per rush and 213 rushing yards/game. They went for 6.1 and 289 against Army. They average 8.5 per pass attempt and 223/game passing. They went for 9.2 and 220 v. Army.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 28, 2011 6:43 pm 
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Now compare how SDSU and Northwestern did against us compared to how they've done against others.

We've had two horrible games, one good except for 8 fumbles, and one good.

Edit to add: and we're talking about Army's game notes, right? Do you expect anything other than propaganda from any team's game notes?

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BeatNavy wrote:
Do you expect anything other than propaganda from any team's game notes?
Good point..

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Sorry, BN. I didn't read the Army notes. Just talking about discussion around here and used this topic. Yes, game notes are team-driven propaganda. I don't really care about your good games...merely pointing out if your D has been thrashed by 2 MAC teams, we should be capable of same. Will we? Who knows - recent history suggests otherwise. Have to break that to get where we want to be. I'm sure you understand


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Sorry to hear Joe Bailey broke his leg last week. He is a great kid from both my son's HS. (Mike Gann went there also). I had just spoken to Joe's parents and he was looking forward to his senior year then his service.

Good luck the rest of the season AFTER Saturday.

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JKO wrote:
Sorry, BN. I didn't read the Army notes. Just talking about discussion around here and used this topic. Yes, game notes are team-driven propaganda. I don't really care about your good games...merely pointing out if your D has been thrashed by 2 MAC teams, we should be capable of same. Will we? Who knows - recent history suggests otherwise. Have to break that to get where we want to be. I'm sure you understand


Completely understand.

Both of our teams are seeking (positive) consistency.

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JtS wrote:
Sorry to hear Joe Bailey broke his leg last week. He is a great kid from both my son's HS. (Mike Gann went there also). I had just spoken to Joe's parents and he was looking forward to his senior year then his service.

Good luck the rest of the season AFTER Saturday.


I only watched the first half of the BSU game, so Bailey being carted off was unfortunately one of the things I saw. He was in obvious pain, but also obviously po'd about having to leave the game.

Thanks for the good wishes, and I send the same thoughts your way.

( Zac Hurst, who graduated in 2001 atop Army's career sack list, is also a Marist School alum. )

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I have respect for Army because alums like Beat Navy who is a top-drawer guy, and because the Army cadets will come up to the line of scrimmage when they are losing 45-3 and play as if they were winning -- down to the last drop of blood.....
JKO wrote:
I have a ton of respect for the USMA and its team. My cousin is a graduate and is currently a colonial. Very proud of him and the Academy. That said, I'm tired of hearing about their vaunted defense and how tough it is to attack.

Here's the Ball State summary:

Score by Quarters 1 2 3 4 Score
----------------- -- -- -- -- -----
ARMY................ 0 0 7 14 - 21 Record: (1-3-0)
Ball State.......... 7 24 14 3 - 48 Record: (3-1-0)



Scoring Summary:
1st 10:01 BSU - EDWARDS, Jahwan 3 yd run (SCHOTT, Steven kick), 12-80 4:59, ARMY 0 - BSU 7
2nd 12:38 BSU - EDWARDS, Jahwan 12 yd run (SCHOTT, Steven kick), 6-80 2:24, ARMY 0 - BSU 14
04:39 BSU - SMITH, Jamill 2 yd pass from WENNING, Keith (SCHOTT, Steven kick), 11-59 4:28, ARMY 0 - BSU 21
02:38 BSU - SNEAD, Willie 21 yd pass from WENNING, Keith (SCHOTT, Steven kick), 6-17 1:47, ARMY 0 - BSU 28
00:00 BSU - SCHOTT, Steven 21 yd field goal, 11-56 1:40, ARMY 0 - BSU 31
3rd 08:12 BSU - EDWARDS, Jahwan 1 yd run (SCHOTT, Steven kick), 6-62 2:12, ARMY 0 - BSU 38
04:11 ARMY - Maples, Raymond 1 yd run (Carlton, Alex kick), 8-77 3:55, ARMY 7 - BSU 38
01:47 BSU - SCHNEIDER, D. 51 yd pass from WENNING, Keith (SCHOTT, Steven kick), 5-60 2:24, ARMY 7 - BSU 45
4th 12:49 ARMY - Maples, Raymond 19 yd run (Carlton, Alex kick), 10-80 3:51, ARMY 14 - BSU 45
02:50 BSU - SCHOTT, Steven 22 yd field goal, 10-78 5:34, ARMY 14 - BSU 48
01:07 ARMY - Baggett, Terry 7 yd run (Carlton, Alex kick), 6-52 1:38, ARMY 21 - BSU 48



ARMY BSU
FIRST DOWNS................... 19 26
RUSHES-YARDS (NET)............ 59-402 42-162
PASSING YDS (NET)............. 0 383
Passes Att-Comp-Int........... 4-0-1 33-26-0
TOTAL OFFENSE PLAYS-YARDS..... 63-402 75-545
Fumble Returns-Yards.......... 0-0 0-0
Punt Returns-Yards............ 1-1 1-12
Kickoff Returns-Yards......... 6-136 0-0
Interception Returns-Yards.... 0-0 1-18
Punts (Number-Avg)............ 3-39.3 2-37.0
Fumbles-Lost.................. 1-0 1-0
Penalties-Yards............... 5-55 5-45
Possession Time............... 28:48 31:12
Third-Down Conversions........ 6 of 12 10 of 13
Fourth-Down Conversions....... 0 of 2 0 of 0
Red-Zone Scores-Chances....... 3-5 7-7
Sacks By: Number-Yards........ 0-0 1-3


RUSHING: ARMY-Maples, Raymond 16-125; Hassin, Jared 17-111; Steelman,
Trent 11-81; Baggett, Terry 4-36; Brown, Malcolm 5-20; Odocha, Kelechi 1-16;
Dixon, Larry 3-12; Crucitti, Jon 1-1; Williams, Scott 1-0. Ball State-EDWARDS,
Jahwan 11-64; SCOTT, B. 11-52; DONNIGAN, D. 12-27; PAGE, Kelly 5-19; WENNING,
Keith 2-5; TEAM 1-minus 5.

PASSING: ARMY-Steelman, Trent 0-3-1-0; Jenkins, Max 0-1-0-0. Ball
State-WENNING, Keith 24-30-0-324; PAGE, Kelly 2-2-0-59; TEAM 0-1-0-0.

RECEIVING: ARMY-. Ball State-SNEAD, Willie 10-180; ORSBON, Briggs 4-28;
SMITH, Jamill 3-55; GIBSON, Torieal 3-31; RYAN, Connor 2-18; MERSHMAN, Aaron
2-17; SCHNEIDER, D. 1-51; SCOTT, B. 1-3.

INTERCEPTIONS: ARMY-None. Ball State-BAKER, Sean 1-18.

FUMBLES: ARMY-Steelman, Trent 1-0. Ball State-TEAM 1-0.

Stadium: Scheumann Stadium Attendance: 15288
Kickoff time: 2:00 pm End of Game: 4:55 pm Total elapsed time: 2:55
Officials: Referee: John Roggeman; Umpire: Mark Shupe; Linesman: John Swartz;
Line judge: Jeff Baur; Back judge: Jeff Latkiewicz; Field judge: Jeffrey Noggle;
Side judge: Grady Smith; Scorer: Brad Caudill;
Temperature: 58 Wind: S 10mph Weather: Mostly Cloudy


Here's the NIU summary:

Score by Quarters 1 2 3 4 Score
ARMY 6 0 0 20 26
Northern Illinois 14 21 14 0 49


SCORING SUMMARY ARMY -NIU
1st 13:43 NIU STEPHEN, Courtn 16 yd blocked punt return (Sims, Mathew kick)
0 - 7
02:37 ARMY Turrentine, T. 14 yd run (Carlton, Alex kick failed)
7 plays, 63 yards, TOP 3:34 6 - 7
01:36 NIU Eakes, Luke 13 yd pass from HARNISH, Chand (Sims, Mathew kick)
3 plays, 72 yards, TOP 1:01 6 - 14
2nd 14:50 NIU PALMER, Nathan 19 yd pass from HARNISH, Chand (Sims, Mathew kick)
5 plays, 53 yards, TOP 1:35 6 - 21
12:49 NIU Daniels, Akeem 6 yd pass from HARNISH, Chand (Sims, Mathew kick)
3 plays, 11 yards, TOP 1:06 6 - 28
07:29 NIU HARNISH, Chand 1 yd run (Sims, Mathew kick)
8 plays, 82 yards, TOP 2:40 6 - 35
3rd 10:16 NIU Womble, Jamal 58 yd pass from HARNISH, Chand (Sims, Mathew kick)
4 plays, 62 yards, TOP 1:29 6 - 42
01:20 NIU Moore, Martel 4 yd pass from HARNISH, Chand (Sims, Mathew kick)
17 plays, 97 yards, TOP 5:12 6 - 49
4th 14:35 ARMY Steelman, Trent 2 yd run (Steelman, Trent pass failed)
4 plays, 49 yards, TOP 1:45 12 - 49
08:27 ARMY Brown, Malcolm 1 yd run (Steelman, Trent rush)
12 plays, 66 yards, TOP 4:08 20 - 49
00:12 ARMY McFarlin, Jared 11 yd pass from Jenkins, Max (Jenkins, Max pass failed)
14 plays, 83 yards, TOP 3:23 26 - 49


Kickoff time: 6:05 PM • End of Game: 9:11 PM • Total elapsed time: 3:06
Referee: Ron Snodgrass • Umpire: Mark Shupe • Linesman: Greg Sujack • Line judge: Jeff Baur • Back judge: Jeff Latkiewicz • Field judge: Brad Horchem • Side judge: Richard Ames • Scorer: Zach Peters •
Temperature: 72 • Wind: NW 9 MPH • Weather: Cloudy, drizzle

Team Statistics
Team Statistics (Final)
The Automated ScoreBook
ARMY vs Northern Illinois (Sep 03, 2011 at DeKalb, Ill.)

Team Totals ARMY NIU
FIRST DOWNS 24 26
Rushing 19 12
Passing 4 12
Penalty 1 2
NET YARDS RUSHING 303 289
Rushing Attempts 63 47
Average Per Rush 4.8 6.1
Rushing Touchdowns 3 1
Yards Gained Rushing 334 317
Yards Lost Rushing 31 28
NET YARDS PASSING 106 220
Completions-Attempts-Int 7-16-1 15-24-1
Average Per Attempt 6.6 9.2
Average Per Completion 15.1 14.7
Passing Touchdowns 1 5
TOTAL OFFENSE YARDS 409 509
Total offense plays 79 71
Average Gain Per Play 5.2 7.2
Fumbles: Number-Lost 2-2 1-1
Penalties: Number-Yards 6-51 5-40
PUNTS-YARDS 3-125 2-74
Average Yards Per Punt 41.7 37.0
Net Yards Per Punt 33.0 37.0
Inside 20 3 1
50+ Yards 1 0
Touchbacks 0 0
Fair catch 0 1
KICKOFFS-YARDS 5-303 8-461
Average Yards Per Kickoff 60.6 57.6
Net Yards Per Kickoff 48.8 40.0
Touchbacks 1 0
Punt returns: Number-Yards-TD 0-0-0 2-26-1
Average Per Return 0.0 13.0
Kickoff returns: Number-Yds-TD 8-141-0 2-39-0
Average Per Return 17.6 19.5
Interceptions: Number-Yds-TD 1-2-0 1--5-0
Fumble Returns: Number-Yds-TD 1-7-0 0-0-0
Miscellaneous Yards 0 0
Possession Time 32:59 27:01
1st Quarter 7:58 7:02
2nd Quarter 10:08 4:52
3rd Quarter 6:57 8:03
4th Quarter 7:56 7:04
Third-Down Conversions 6 of 15 11 of 13
Fourth-Down Conversions 3 of 4 0 of 0
Red-Zone Scores-Chances 4-5 5-5
Touchdowns 4-5 5-5
Field goals 0-5 0-5
Sacks By: Number-Yards 1-5 1-9
PAT Kicks 0-1 7-7
Field Goals 0-0 0-0

Ball St. is 3-1 with wins at home against Army and Buffalo, and on the road against Indiana. They lost 31-7 to USF in Tampa. They average 3.9 per rush and 155 rushing yards/game. They went for 3.9 and 162 v. Army on the ground. They average 7 per pass attempt and 232.5 per game. They went for 11.5 per attempt and 383 against Army.

NIU is 2-2 with wins at home v. Army and Cal Poly, and road losses to Wisconsin and Kansas. They average 5.6 per rush and 213 rushing yards/game. They went for 6.1 and 289 against Army. They average 8.5 per pass attempt and 223/game passing. They went for 9.2 and 220 v. Army.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 29, 2011 5:40 pm 
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I watched some of that game. Army didn't stop Ball. BUT, Army got killed by 2 15 yard penalties: one chop block called back a touchdown and they missed a chippie field goal; the other moved them out of field gold position.
We can't count on 15 yard assessments against Army.

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